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Why couldnt I just build up and area? They should be able to make sense out of the soil map and guide you in your endeavor. Does the drain field take only black water or does it include grey water like showers and sinks, and if so, why cant those be used for irrigation? I have a neighbor who is apparently dumping sewage out [the] side of their property. The document is a hand-drawn page with notes am [?] Contact the Department of Environmental Health in your county and get a list of Soil Scientists that work in the area. Id like to know if it will perc prior to even getting it deeded over to us. I believe you must stay 25 off the top of the bank of the creek (see https://www.williamsoncounty-tn.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1971/WC-regs-certDec-2009?bidId=). We just dont want to buy a 4 bedroom 2 bath and when they bring it out to set up something goes wrong for some reason they are not Able to by the words on the test. But also has great big trees in it too. The scientist noted this would be approved for a 2 bedroom home. Is it possible to deem land not suitable for septic without performing an absorption test? I am looking at 11.43 acres. 1,who keeps the original map 2,there seems to be 4 spots that are marked how do we make sense of them. The property has already had a perc test and have documents that state the findings, but it was done almost 8 years ago. Do I need to talk to other soil engineers, a civil engineer or the TDEC guys? We just purchased 45 acres on the highland rim in Maury. There are instances where this isnt required, but they are few and far between. They said the soil was no longer good. If your soil scientist has stated that there is not adequate soil on 11 acres for 2 houses, then your next recourse would be to contact a civil engineer and discuss alternate sewage disposal options. One thing you can do is install something (an interceptor ditch or berm) to prevent the runoff from getting to the drain field. Thanks. We have some land that my parents have deeded to us, in Maury County. As far as I know, you cannot alter the land to make it more suitable for subsurface disposal and if you did, it would have to sit, untouched, for a very long time (7-20 years). This practice exam will cover all aspects of the test including all subjects and books. Do you see this as a good alternative for a lot that does not perk for a regular in ground septic? There are a few land panels for sale, one of them we are interested in is about 3 acres. My husband and I have almost 3 acres, we had the lands soil tested and they said we can only put a two bedroom home there but we.could tell the guy to write it is a 2 bedroom one bath on paper work when we get it and its bigger. All the reserve must have is suitable soil. I have High Intensity Soil Map for the land that I am interested in Smyrna. Very helpful grounding in whats needed. this in mind, the Department of Environment and Conservation was Any help or advice you can offer would be much appreciated! There are two issues with starting early. My recommendation is to have a soil scientist look it over and tell you where (in relation to where you want to build) you can put your septic system and reserve. Where I used to live in Mn, a mound style septic would often be installed on land that did not quite meet the perc requirements. The issue is if you want to include a restroom. Contact the local Department of Environmental Health. If there is a perc test submitted that fails, then that square is (for all intents and purposes) no longer usable. (We just noticed this recently.) Thank you. It isnt like the soils are going to change over time. The soil scientist then signed the reports, much like a surveyor having a field crew. We were never told we would be responsible for this at any point. Regardless of whether you are a contractor or homeowner, to install a septic system, you must have a construction I bought a house in Wilson County on 12 acres. Often, the environmental health office is in the health department. Are there ever times when it would not be approved for the # of bedrooms that it originally perked for? Too small or large of pipe or an undersized/oversized pump can cause other issues. My son and his wife started asking different people what to do, and it seems like everybody they have talked to thinks the guys an a**. I am looking at building a house andesign I know Im going to need a septic system. If the soil scientist tells you that you can pretty much put a septic system anywhere, then do the survey first. I have neighbors to the right and back of the property. These may need to be perc tested, depending on the soil type. Here is a description of a STEP system from consolidated utility in Rutherford county. Thanks. Given the rate you quoted from the TDEC website and the 4-bedroom stip, you would be closer to 1200 ft rather than the 12,000 ft you were quoted. So, area isnt as much a concern as linear feet. Will we need a perc test? Maybe not in their records as it was a long time ago but I am 110% certain we have one lol. Upon searching for one (with no luck) i came across a guy that does perc tests, and he said i needed a perc test done, then if it fails i need a soil scientist. There is a state-level and you can check with them, but I would guess that your best bet is the county mayor. If I get a perc test in the preferred area and it meets the specs can he still deny that location? Will the whole property, including his grandads house, have to be reperced for us to build? You would need to talk to the Department of Environmental Health to see if any other area is suitable. Thanks for your time. You would need to talk to an appraiser to have a better idea of what those limits do to the value of the land. There are alternatives available if your land doesnt perc as well as you would like, but these all require to be designed by an engineer. rear section FuE Fullerton with 30-40% slopes. is there any way that the builders could have slipped by or not done the correct perk test for the type of soil I have? Absolutely they could have slipped by. Hi, Timothy, And then based on these two findings, we would submit this to the county to repermit the lot? Test results are submitted with the application. Depending on the distance, you may still need a pump, but generally speaking, not pumping is much cheaper than pumping. If the available soil is limit or if you only want a single drain field, you could pump the effluent to it from wherever is feasible (pump strength, line length, etc). The septic tank is the first component of an on-site sewage management system. There is an ancient perc test on file from 1985 which permitted a 1 bdr dwelling at the time. The property was logged several years ago and was a mess. All I have is a sketch from the soil consultant. It is likely that you may not need another perc test or soil map. A couple of questions if you dont mind. My son bought 3 acres in coffee county that came with a perc Contractors of septic systems require a license which is issued by the Commissioner of the Department of It is greatly appreciated. You should be able to go to the health department and possibly get copies of everything (soil map, permit, etc). It is quite common to redo a soil permit to get more bedrooms. There should also be an absorption rate associated with it. Hello, You may need to have your soil map amended if they didnt map the whole lot. Test Content: The CMC-A exam consists of a business and law section and a trade knowledge section. DEC's website. Havent gotten to perc test yet but was told by a neighbor that the lower section of my property does not perc. Then the test is actually done. We recently had a soil scientist come out. He had the whole seventeen acres to choose from, with at least three different soil types. Thank you. A tank for solid waste and a drain field for disposing of liquid waste. And would it be best if we can be there to at least meet the person doing the testing? So, you would need to expand the drainfield (assuming it wasnt overdesigned to begin with). My other questions are about alternatives. Our land failed. You could try to check with a local engineering firm, they might have better luck. INSTALLERS PUMPERS. Hi Timothy, love your blog!!! Your first step should be to talk to a surveyor and have them look over your options. Remember though, if you add a bedroom, you then have a house that does not have an adequately approved septic system and that could impact your ability to sell, refinance, or many other issues. Any limits as to size of home? If the slope isnt bad, then you are simply dealing with the number of feet of drain field for the number of bedrooms. If you are disposing of the effluent onsite, you would likely have a soil map done. (over my head what it takes to override it). Older systems were installed often without permits. Unfortunately, I do not know of any soil scientists in that area. We living on 11.5 acres.. House was built in 1980s, the field lines are in the neighbors yard and were never surveyed properly when the property was divided and sold. There are several out there, but you will have to have one that is specific to your needs and conditions and I am not an engineer, sorry. You must use an approved disposal method. This means that you have to show an area for 100% reserve. There are many factors that go into passing soils for subsurface disposal. Yeah, seems Montgomery County doesnt do their own permitting. We have 3 plots under one deed. Is it significantly more costly than a regular system? It has been all septic, but a new sewer plant was built in 2014, but the sewer service has not yet expanded to most of the community. Once a permit is granted, it is only valid until If your land perked in 2014 and you are now going to build in 2017, will you have to perk it again? First and foremost, you may inadvertently damage an area of land that could have been used for your drainfield. If one doesnt think it can be done, call another. The map on the test shows that a primary and secondary site were mapped (they are still staked on the land) with each site showing an estimated absorption rate of 75 MPI. Every region has its own and besides that, I am not a soil scientist. If it perks for 3 bedroom, can you have 4 bathrooms? I will say that it is usually easier to pass a perc in dry weather when the soils are not saturated. There are several options, like recirculating sand filtration systems, constructed wetlands, and others. My wife and I are considering the purchase of a home on 5.88 acres that has a septic system and pproved for 3 beds. Hello, im looking for answers for an alternative system in Rutherford co.. 5 acres. Thanks again. of Health, Montgomery County (931-648-5747) and pressed #5 Environmental, I got a recording about it being an open desk, leave message if about pools, food, tattoos. Thank you for your assistance? We have a trailer on plot 1 with septic, we want to build a house on plot 2 (get rid of trailer on plot 1) and will need a septic for plot 2 but not sure if we need a perc test. If your drain field is above the septic tank, you may have to have a secondary tank with a pump in it. An SSDS Permit (aka drain field layout) or other groundwater services like certifications or verifications can be prepared for your property. Anyone know a tester in Nashville, TN area? Thank you! Any suggestions from you ? During? I am admittedly very uneducated in this field but it just strikes me as odd that you could have a perc test done, when the ground is wet. This map is stating that you have the ability to install a system but it will need to go to the county health department for consideration to establish how large a home is needed. To answer your question, if you have not submitted the holes to the Environmental Health Department, try all you want. If they did not, then the lines are encroaching illegally and the landowner could (in theory) cut them off from your home. 1. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); HTML tags allowed in your Aside from the calling the slim scientist, is there anything else that needs to be done on our end prior to this? If youre still looking for an onsite wastewater solution, contact my firm. How long does it take to get the results back for a perc test? of environmental health is only accepting online applications and not meeting to answer questions, so I am really short on options. You will need to call them. I would check with the local Dept. We have finalized our house plans and I am not sure how to move forward. Thanks again for your help! 3. A perc test alone is not adequate. Thank you for all this info! It is worth noting that they (the Dept. There are many factors beyond septic that controls how you can divide. 1. If you are choosing to use an alternative system, then you will likely need to have that designed by an engineer. You would install drainfield pipe along a contour with each line being separated a minimum of 8 center to center. Thank you for sharing all your wealth of knowledge to help others gain a better understanding. As for liability, I would say you need to read the contract you signed with your contractor. Is having a high intensity map made a costly proposition? Search STP . Im getting so frustrated with a good old boysystem. All other inquiries requesting a copy of a Septic Tank Permit or Septic Tank Installation Certificate of Completion will need to access the information online at www.hamiltontn.gov > ONLINE SERVICES > Building Inspection App > Document Retrieval and follow the directions. Aside from a conventional septic system with a leachfield is there another option that would be up to code? From what Ive read above it appears good for septic. TVA only deals with their land. Contact an engineer and see if they can do something like a constructed wetlands or an LPP system. I recently purchased 5.50 acres of land in Christiana (Rutherford County). If you want to build with a permit, you will have to show the bathroom. Final related question, can separate buildings within some proximity share a septic system, or are there any regulations on sharing septic systems between buildings on the same property? Even without a high-intensity soil map, the soil scientist should have a pretty good idea about what you can do with the land. Payment must be made with a credit card, debit card, or e-check. The one house site on it says 60mpi We are so confused as to where to go next and what has to be started over. This will come down to your zoning and any restrictions placed on the deed (Homeowners association, etc). Remember, both primary and reserve are necessary for the approval of a system. We bought the property next two those lots because he said we should have no problem perking because the other lots did. He plans on building a shop with living qtrs and will only call for 1 bed 1 bath but before he starts to clear and put in driveway I want him to understand how this works so he dont have to go backwards. Search for Septic Tank Permits. Either would start with a conversation with a surveyor. The land does slope downward from the proposed home site, and the 2015 perks show a rate of 50-75 mpi. Thank you for your quick and helpful response. You may be able to construct your septic system in the power transmission easement, but I am not sure. That is a question for the Department of Environmental Health. I have 16 acres of land in Cumberland Country and a soil test failed. It means that you can get a permit for a 3 bedroom house. As for lack of disclosure, that is a legal issue and you would need to speak to an attorney on that matter. It is not illegal to do so. Bit he told us to not to worry about size of home we put out there. Perhaps you should talk to a different real estate agent this one is asking for a lawsuit. You would need to clarify with that soil scientist (or check the soil map). However, if your drain field is on someone else, it sounds like your property may not be very suitable for a septic system to begin with. If the size is still way up there, then contact an engineer to determine the best alternative system. So to answer your question, adding bedrooms, not bathrooms, requires increasing the drain field size. Any questions or assistance, please contact the Washington County Office of TDEC at 854-5400, or you may apply at their office at 2305 Silverdale Drive, Johnson City, TN. Can anyone tell me who I can call to get my land perked in smithville Tn. ?that does not sound right to me. If the building site is excessively thick, it is possible to grub out the underbrush, but if you full clear and it turns out that is the only usable soil, then you are likely screwed. You should talk to a civil engineering firm, like Batson, Hinds, Norvell, and Poe. Honestly, this is definitely a question for your local health department. He suggests we have another perc test done. In theory, it would allow slow absorption into the ground but moreover, it would allow evaporation of the effluent. If you know you are going to go alternative, then I would approach an engineer directly. Each perc test covers a 5050 square. On the land, the TVA has an easement for powerlines and a small wetlands area. This allows for the 100% reserve. Whats the next step if I want a perc permit? http://www.maurycounty-tn.gov/index.aspx?page=69, https://www.williamsoncounty-tn.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1971/WC-regs-certDec-2009?bidId=, https://www.tn.gov/environment/permit-permits/water-permits1/septic-systems-permits/ssp/permit-water-septic-system-construction-permit.html. Nancy. Hi, I have a 13 acre property in Blount County Tn. Timothy do you know of any Non conventional septic systems that are approved for use in Tennessee on land that wont perk?, aerobic systems, drip systems etc. To my best recollection, a perc test is permanent. Essentially, if the land has not been modified since the test, then the passing results stand. Worse case scenario, you can contract with a civil engineer and see if an alternate system would be feasible (both physically and economically). 2. However, without a licensed soil scientist or an engineer contradicting your licensed soil scientist, then I doubt they would or could fail the area. I rescue all types of animals and have 5 acres. No idea. The area is somewhat rocky. You cannot use one for septic and the other for any other purpose except what it is now. Now, the high-intensity soil map will determine the type of soil along with the absorption rates of those soils. My question here is, can the state come back after my soil scientist passed me, and fail the site? A 2005 permit should have included any need for this redundancy. The property is wooded. Can we request another perc test in the backyard or is it likely that on the acre lot that was probably tested first and failed. What does a registered perc site mean? First, it is not uncommon for entire neighborhoods to use a shared septic system. A soil scientist, registered in Tennessee, is the only person who can make the map and determine the soil type. OK, lets break that down. I am not sure what that stands for either. On 10/27/21 he spent a total of twenty minutes on the property, dug one little hole, then messaged my son at work saying hed have to get a soil scientist. No-one seems to be able to help at the Health Dept. Not as long as the land has not been altered. It makes sense when you think that most houses will change hands several times over their lifetime and they are there to ensure that it will meet the needs of what the house is capable of. Would the property assessor know where to direct me? How do you build a drain field in an area that was previously wooded? It will be more on area than anything else. I am not sure what you are looking for but if there is anything regarding a septic system on file, it would be with the Health Department. The local Department of Environmental Health approved it the septic system (the company installing the home sought the permits). Each job is specific to your septic tank, We have tried to create a a pricing structure that allows you to have a very close estimate of pricing up front based on your particular circumstance. The systems we are looking at produce clean water at the effluent. That is a question for the Health Department. What is a perc test? You cannot typically connect to an existing system without a full inspection of it to ensure that it meets current codes. 1. We repaired the septic tank, but this was not enough (according to Codes). Thank you. However as a government agency I feel that they are employed by the taxpayers and should be more efficient in their job and not be so biased in their approval process and procedures. If the soil does require a perc test, the test can go as high as 106 mpi (Rule 1200-1-6-.06(d)). This blog is incredibly insightful and thank you for taking time to respond. Middle section FuD Fullerton with 15-30% slopes. During? That being said, I would talk to a local civil engineer and the health department to see what options you have. Hello and thank you addressing questions. Could a new perc test support the additional bedrooms after so many years have passed? Who knows or would ever know. of Environmental Health would be good to be sure everyone is on the same page. Thanks for your time!!! There are several mature trees and I see no areas that look as if it has been disturbed for dumping etc. Not being my area of expertise, I wouldnt be able to tell the difference. If you have a wetland on your property, it would likely be under the purview of the Tennessee Department of Environmental Conservation. So 2 questions, can a septic permit fail? First, if an extra high intensity soil map has been done for a property in Williamson County, how do you know then if a perc test is required or not to apply for a permit? Thanks for keeping up with all the questions here! Yes, that is basically true. Thanks so much for your help! As long as there are good soils, a property does not need perc tests. Also, dry creek, creek is on the propertycan we not use the creek in to drain the septic? If it is the latter, I have no idea how to sort that out, sorry. We had to start excavating prior to getting a septic permit in order to determine where we are even going to have the best building site. This is a hole dug 6 12 inches in diameter, about 36 42 inches in depth (around my area). Test /Soil map its black and white. How do I apply for a septic permit in Tennessee? My dilemma is according to what Ive found out the land must be surveyed and zoned before a perk can be done. As for the testing when wet, well, that is a real-world issue, isnt it? Is there any limit on distance for the backup soil sites being that if first one failed we could pump it to secondary site.Any guess how long it would take to have someone come out and do the perk tests? There has to be a way you are able to remove me from that service? How do we do this? I just didnt know if the county would give push back with me being the land owner since Im facilitating things. Or could we go straight to the health dept. I dont know where to turn next. My first call would be to the neighbor. Depending on the amount of water left in the hole will govern how the process is supposed to work. After 6 months water backed up we have a 75 mpi. Its confusing because everything Ive read (from the TDEC web site) indicates 370 square feet per bedroom. That is an engineering question, but I have seen drain fields be 1000+ feet from the actual septic tank. home| Soil types are different all over and would require a high-intensity soil map. Surrounded by other homes with septic. To qualify for the LLP license, a candidate must document at least one year of plumbing experience. If you are not happy with the fee he is asking, you are more than welcome to hire someone else. I am not familiar with those soil types. There are also some trees that you would not want anywhere near a septic system, like willows. God only knows what he means by preliminary perc test. If you have any questions on that, you will need to contact an attorney. What if a house is only perced for 3 bedrooms? Here is a draft of the Soil Handbook that outlines how to do a perc test. It is ultimately up to the Department of Environmental Health to determine what size home you can build. As to the last segment when you said, House was built in 1980s, the field lines are in the neighbors yard and were never surveyed properly when the property was divided and sold. Some dont restrict a garage apartment while some do. All systems in Tennessee must be approved by the Department of Environmental Health before installation. You will need to find the permit that should have been issued for construction of the septic system and preferably, the final inspection. Hello Timothy, I have 20acres in Marshall county all flat land and is currently being used to plant corn on. I can say I have seen a lot of areas where people have not dumped their greywater into their septic tank. Since the perc test is meant to simulate the actual conditions in a working septic system, the soil is then "pre-soaked" for several hours to saturate the soil. Hi Timothy, Hello Tim, First of all, Thank you for providing answers for all questions. I am not sure what you are asking, but if your property is not served by a public/private sewer system, then yes, you will need a septic system. I assume that the county owns the tertiary treatment site (drain field) which means you do not have to have a perc test. You need either a second septic tank or a multi-chamber one if you pump. I am looking at a property for sale in a subdivision that has been around a very long time in Knoxville. The site sits 100 yards from a year round small creek and is located on a small hill. You can grant easements as needed, but they then become issues if one of you decides to sell and the others dont like their new neighbors. I purchased the property 2 years ago and have had this issue since, but it was not disclosed that there was septic issues in the sale, is there any way that the builders could have slipped by or not done the correct perk test for the type of soil I have? It is not the responsibility of the encumbered landowner to secure an easement for the enjoyment of another. An offer is contingent upon viability of the perk sites, the last test was done in February 2015. Now, as for what issues can arise, that is a question for a plumber. Typically, you are required to have enough land for both a primary system AND a secondary system in the event that the primary fails. They are going to deed us an acre to build on. Again, too many variables to know. 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