Lisa:So tell me about Roger Pearson. Barry:I had to really refrain from, um, speculating on Phil Rushton's penis size, but here was a guy who, "They may have bigger penises, but I've got a bigger brain." Rigo:Exactly, and you know what comes next is that Drape becomes a cash cow for Laughlin's schemes. James Moll conducted the interview on May 9, 2001 in New York, NY. This is another clip where Berry Mehler and J. P. Rushton are sitting next to each other debating. In April 2017, author and neuroscientist Sam Harris published an episode on his popular podcast called Waking Up with an alluring title, Forbidden Knowledge. Rigo: In 1935, before the Pioneer Fund is official, Laughlin sends Wycliffe Draper to a eugenics academic conference in Berlin. Paul: And while he's in Europe Draper quite literally pals around with Nazis. This is vile and viscous racist anti Semitic stuff, and he finds news there that he doesn't get anywhere else. Rigo:So he names names, Pearson, Jensen, Shockley, and its newest Pioneer star, Phillip Rushton, and because of this, he's called onto television shows like the Phil Donahue Show. Scientists pushed back against this hard, but Murray still gets tons of attention from the press, and it gets legitimized. Lisa:I can only imagine what a book with that title is gonna be about. Episode 1 from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. [laughs] You'd probably groan and hope you, like, you could avoid him at a faculty mixer, right? News archive:Some of the ideas found in the book, the bell curve are not new. First, on the idea front. Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.mp4. Rigo:Yeah. McNeil/Leher Report:Race remains one of this country's most divisive topics and a controversial book with racially charged findings hasn't helped the debate. I've never mailed my stuff out, but that was exactly what The Pioneer Fund was doing, and, and it was a, a strategy that they had to disseminate their information. Donahue's guests are two middle aged men who could really pass as accountants. It was part of his insecurity, but the data for this was so stupid. Ah, Barry Mehler. It's almost like, uh Like a racist Santa Claus. Rigo:Yeah, and it claimed that Black people were a threat to civilization, and that they should be repatriated back to Africa. ", And in a number of cases, it wasn't even money for the research, it was just money for the individuals, gifts, large gifts of personal checks to the people who carry on this research. Lisa:What is this, Wheel of Fortune? Um, but most of the money that Shockley got Well, in fact, really all of the money that Shockley got had nothing to do with research. Rigo:So Laughlin comes up with their first endeavor. These things meant a lot to him, and he has a huge inheritance burning a hole in his pocket, so he's looking around for a great social cause to pour his money into, so he becomes drawn to what else but eugenics. So, [laughter] that's how I knew the police didn't do it, because if they had done it, they would have done it right. Quote, "On two points, I put The Thunderbolt ahead of much of the American press. Rigo:Yeah. Bottom line, Wickliffe Draper's money makes the journal possible. He travels to Spain. That is the foundation for the claims that African-American people on average are intellectually inferior to whites. Bill:Yes. Using stories from sciences past to understand our world. They made a lot of anonymous donations, or passed the money through foundations and non profits. Rigo:The seed of The Pioneer Fund starts in the early 1900s, with a guy named Wickliffe Preston Draper. Rigo:Some of it was just completely bonkers. So now my anti racism was, was visible, very visible. I mean the first thing that comes to mind for me is The Bell Curve by Charles Murray, which was huge. Donohue:if you're going to present a thesis, which places uh, places are race at the bottom of the IQ. And apparently Draper was also kind of shy. The guy on the left is Philippe Rushton. Barry:At the time, we had been getting a lot of death threats, and so And by the way, I wouldn't go to the police. He fired almost all of the current faculty, and made openings for other neo Nazi scientists. Episode 4from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. That's the question is, uh, who is funding Philippe Rushton? It's the Phil Donahue Show, one of the '90s most watched talk shows. You want to publish if you can in a journal with a higher impact score rather than a lower impact score. And before you try to tell me that he's still on the fringes, listen to this. Respectable scientists and academics were promoting these ideas, which is why Draper starts making friends in high up places in the eugenics world, and he kind of finds an ideological soulmate in a man named Harry Laughlin. Rigo:Exactly, but he does it in a very polished away. Rigo:Right. 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Lisa:That makes sense. One is that they were enormously important to the racists because they legitimated their views, and especially after World War II, when the Nazis had been defeated, you had very little support for these kinds of ideas. There's two things that were going on. [laughs] And, you know, and he's arguing that you can't boost their IQ by, uh, any kind of environmental changes, which is kind of an absurd argument anyway to make. ABC News Archive on Laughlin:It was called Erbkrant, which means hereditary, defective. Although it was widely dismissed, it is still cited today as evidence that white people are smarter than Black people, and it's all biological. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Rigo:Exactly. historian, very mailer charges that the pioneer funds interest in race differences made the Bell Curves arguments. It's like Rushton wants to dress it up in jargon so you don't notice how hateful the premise is, but Mehler just cuts right to the chase. So Pioneer Fund works hard to prop up scientists that they think are going to continue their message, and it gives the ideas credibility in a sense, right, because if they're continuing to get funding then their ideas must not be all that controversial. Lisa:So basically Mehler's kitchen table would have been filled with racist propaganda hate mail 24/7 365? I mean, he's, he's this well spoken fellow in a nice suit. Their last known grant was in 2019 to an organization based in Ohio whose president has written extensively about racial differences. I'm retiring at the end of this year. 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One, it immediately made its way to the mainstream press, and gave the impression that there was now new genetic evidence to prove that there was a difference in intelligence among races. [laughs]. Rigo: The Spanish Civil War was used by the Nazi's as a military testing ground and Draper wanted to be part of it. Funding wasn't an issue for them, they had Wickliffe Draper. I mean, uh, there's a lot of skepticism, he's getting a lot of dirty looks from people in the audience. Rigo:Yes, and here's an example of that. Uh, you know, I, I don't need to be credited, and if you want to discredit me, they were always able to discredit me. Murray told the New York Times that, quote, "Some of the things we read to do this work, we literally had to hide when we were on planes and trains.". What Pearson had done was he brought together all of these fascist intellectuals, academics that had been orphaned by the war, and they needed a place to come together. 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